Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Ian Paul's avatar

Thanks for this. I think there are a few things you are missing (though you might be adding them in later).

1. The prologue and epilogue are also linked by seven, in that there are seven 'blessings' and when you add 'Alpha and O', 'first and last' and 'beginning and end' you get seven.

2. The second, third, and possibly fourth of your sevens have intervals between the sixth and seventh, and that really matters.

3. I think you are hampered by working with chapter and verse divisions, which I think can be misleading. Would the discussion work better with either word numbers or sentence numbers?

4. I don't think your seven kai eidons works. You either need to be strict or flexible to make an argument. Why do you include the variations in 17.6 but not the one in 15.5?

5. Why should there be *one* structure? I think different elements offer different structures. For example, there is a striking absence of 'and I saw' in chapters 11 and 12, and though everyone agrees that 12.1 marks a major change (with 'a sign appeared') suggesting disjunction, in fact chapters 11 and 12 and linked together both by the absence of 'and I saw' (since the account of the two witnesses is described to him) but also by the time spans of 42 months = 1260 days = 3.5 times. And when you look at other patterns of word frequency occurrences, this will give yet another set of structural markers.

6. I think you miss some other major literary markers. The threefold hallelujahs in 19.1–8 belong with the threefold lament of chapter 18, not least because of the 'rejoice' and 'woe' in 12.12—but 19.9 then marks a shift.

And I think that Richard Bauckham is right to count seven unnumbered visions of The End from 19.11 to 21.1. Note also that 21.1 to 22.5 are set apart, like cos 11 and 12, by the absence of 'then I saw', being replaced by 'and he showed me'. Note also the parallel between 19.10 with 22.8–9.

Hope that is all useful.

Michelle Crouch's avatar

Hello James, this is very interesting as always. Many thanks. One strange detail which might be a typo? You say in Observation 1 that it starts with an epilogue and closes with a prologue. Did you mean to say this, or the other way 'round? If you meant it, I don't know, as some kind of reverse of the Alpha/Omega thing, I wonder if you would elaborate a bit on the reversal? Seems a bit Eliot-esque, In my beginning is my end...

5 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?